Customer Questions & Answers
You have to pay for EACH message to the woman. Why not just get a membership where you can pay once, get her email and talk for the rest of your life without hassle? It is free to attach photos and there is no word limit. This proves the lady is who she says she is when you can talk to her in person. In addition, each lady registered on the site is verified by the a local team of managers in Ukraine. You mention that you have to pay to join the site, this is simply not true.
I would encourage you to create an account and try out the service before passing judgement. If you have any questions, the site owner, Keith or any of the Ukraine managers would only be too happy to answer them directly.
In the case of your site, it seems that I have to buy a crap load of credits, then send letter after letter to women who may or might not be interested in me.
And if they reply, I have to pay more money to send more letters. And in this way, if I want to talk to women, it could cost thousands. I agree with your statement that it all does come down to what you get for your money. The process is designed to wear down the client and in many ways, to confuse him or her as to the actual price of the car. This agency seems to capture this method flawlessly as I cannot tell how much anything will cost.
In my opinion, this is neither in the best interest of my readers, nor is it particularly honest. It is also easy and safe to sign up…. Bottom line up front: You know how much it costs.
Why deal with all of the headache and sales games? Also, I just wanted to say thanks for bothering to look at the site and for giving your opinion: As such, I would ask that you delete all of the visible comments from this post so as not to present this illusion of a one-sided debate. Thank you for doing this for me. I would have preferred to continue the discussion, however that is your choice.
As far as I can tell, all that needs to be said has been said:. But I see no reason to banter back and forth quibbling over the finer details of what constitutes a good deal. If you wish to engage in such conversation, I encourage you to begin your own blog and tell the world your story. You can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but in the end the truth will shine through and the BS will be obvious. And as such, I will NOT recommend it to my readers.
I just came across this thread and I would like to offer my input. I have definitely found the ones to avoid like Anastasia and the endless list of full scam sites. I judge each site on several factors which insertagencynamehere. I am a current member of Insert Agency Name Here, my second time, and have had a mostly positive experience with them.
I do not get overwhelmed with letters, in fact, I may go weeks without one. They have an excellent anti scam policy. If you accidentally send the same letter twice to a woman the system automatically refunds your credits. You have the option of a short message, I believe characters, for 1 credit. Their customer service is extremely helpful and amazingly fast to reply, sometimes within minutes.
It can get expensive. Overall, in my opinion, they are one of very few PPL or minute sites that are legit. Take it for what it is, an honest opinion from a consumer and a guy looking in Ukraine for a wife. I removed the name of the agency because it fails one of my most basic rules: These sites are notoriously rife with fraud. Your description of the fees of this agency are ridiculous.
My friend, you are talking complete sense here. Once I got my sixteen obligatory letters written and was able to communicate by personal email, the communication either vanished immediately, I was prodded back to the website, or I got strung along for about a month and then.
What is really scary. I am a criminal defense lawyer. I deal with liars, frauds, and cons all day long. Nature overrides reason at every turn. I think I will try your route.
But limited number of women since he only solicits there in that city. Thanks for your insight Scott. That is what kept me reading in the beginning. I am going back to read some of your comments.
I laughed my ass off!!!! That you enjoy my writing. That you saw the light before you wasted too much money. Considering the tens of millions of dollars spent on fraud sites like Anastasia. Quick litmus test for ANY agency. Do they limit your contact with the woman? Once you contact a woman, you should be able to send her your email, Skype or phone and begin to chat outside of the view of the website. I totally agree with you Scott.
I took your advice after email exchange with Irina on RussianBrides. Several days later I found in my RussianBrides account email Sent box the email sent to her that I never sent and it was still unread by her. She told me they were computer generated. I felt the email communication with Irina was too smooth and her profile pics shown AnastasiaDate on them.
That sealed my suspicions. She tells me in her 3rd email that her very old Aunt is very unwell and has no one else to look after her and she is now living with her Aunt and cannot send me any real photos of herself until she returns home.
Irina is the only person I am communicating with. I was left wondering who she really worked for or whether that was Anastasia staff adding that themselves. My Russian friends in NZ here warn me it is SCAM and that the women on Chat most likely gay male staff being paid pretend they are women and to offer cyber sex to lonely men.
I spent 7 years in prison for murdering my wife. I am now fully rehabilitated and pose no further threat to the community. I have the AIDS virus from being raped in prison. I am looking for a finacially wealthy woman to spend the rest of my life with. I am deleting around letters a day and Irina tells me I have a lovely sense of humour. It makes sense that they are bringing in millions each year. I am surprised to read your explanation about mailing me only. We both are adult people and everyone free to do what he or she wants.
I am not jaleous. And I am not going to control your mailbox and so on… Everyone gets what he or she is worthy. If somebody likes chatting and playing with young girls — it is his or her choice. The main reason is people should be happy. If these games make somebody happier, have fun and after it they do not feel alone — why not? Here is my phylosophy No need to send me a copy of your PC screen.
I am really not interested in it ]. So that tells you something. Try typing in a post just RussianBrides. Here is an oldie but a goodie. New update to my search: I did have one lady in Moscow whom I had communicated with for the past year by private email. I made it clear to her that I was not going to spend endless months exchanging letters with her on the site. We are now exchanging person info this week. Yes, it does limit the number of girls you can contact.
But I have found girls that I really think we might be compatible with. Several others also quickly gave me their email addresses but I never contacted them. They were beautiful, but you have to go with your gut-instinct and not your penis. Make it clear what the ground rules are with them. I let them know in so many words that it is like that old Cold War term: What a difference it has made in my search.
And a serious business at that. Approach it in that manner and you will find far more success. I agree with everything you said about the site in your review above and I too believe that most of the women there are genuine; I know that my wife was! VS, thanks for your comments. I concur with everything you said.
I flew to visit with her for 14 days mid to late February even during the massive protest in Kiev. She was amazing and instrumental in booking my apartment both in Kiev and her hometown. She took care of everything. When the killings started Feb 18th she immediately found two different taxi drivers to get me out of Kiev for my safety after the government shut down the cities transportation.
I even got my money back from the Kiev apartment landlord for the days I would not be staying there which is amazing for a corrupted country as Ukraine. It was a crazy and amazing experience. She and I hit it off very well and communicated each day since we met in December. She owns her own clothing boutique, has a University degree from Moscow and speaks English well enough to communicate on a daily basis.
She recently visited me in Japan for a week to ensure she could accept living in Japan until my transfer and everything was perfect. I even proposed marriage to her and she accepted. She is the real deal! As Scott mentioned there will be some that will not reply, but when they do and the communication last for more than a week or two then it is time to consider more toward her.
Thanks for the update and report on your progress. Alana asked me the other day if any of the readers at this site had ditched American women and found love in Eastern Europe. Also, Mike commented that he has had good results with Ukraine Cupid. It is nice to have one and now two choices in a sea full of corruption and bogus sites.
Well , yes , I am reading most of the posts , for some months now. And , I can say , that in general , it all gives a good basis , for those men , who wants to go to some of these CIS countries or Russia. About the Cupid — Ukraine Dating site , well , I sort of , took a glance , and signed up. What I noticed , when browsing the female galleries , is that there are a large part , of ladies , who have logged in , more than 9 months , or more than 1 year ago!!
I would say , that this is somewhat , confusing. Why keep these profiles , still in the database. Of course , it would not cost you extra money.
Because you pay for 1 or 3 months , or longer. But it does raise some questions. Like I said ,at the moment , I am in a somewhat serious relation , with a lady from Odessa. A few days ago , I received a somewhat strange mail , in my private email box , and it supposedly , comes from Elenas Models. Now , I only check the site , every now and then.
Since mid , I believe , I did stop the recurring billing. And , I mentioned , that , later EM told me , that I would loose , all the remaining credits. In fact , while , after every payment , I got 50! So , I tried , to consume , as many as possible. But then again , you as the man , should be very lucky , when there are about 35 women , on the site , who match YOUR criteria. As for me , it was not the case. So , after the next recurring date , on which , there was no payment cancelled , I only had 1 month left , to use my credits more than 50!!
I , today , see , that there is an explanation , on EM , about the recurring , and what happens , when you stop the payments. So , they are pressing you , yes??? And then , when he replies , she will not respond anymore.
Or , after some letters , she suddenly stops , the correspondence. As some of you know , I did mention this , for Russian Cupid and for Ukrainedate. On these sites , I found profiles , where some ladies , did not login , for more than 6 months or even 1 year.
But EM , did not send me an email , about the above mentioned. No , in fact , I received a mail , which is about different topics, of things from the past and present. But , about Russian or Ukraine events , and some in cooperation , with the West. The header , of the mail is , well , hold your breathe: Then , it contains a link , to , some footage , from a Russian tv channel.
Well , to me it seems , more like a regular program. About the same , like Catfish , in America. Only , here they go really , beyond borders , of what is acceptable and ethic , tv making. Although , the video , about the lie detector test , is from , it will give an indication , of what some local Belarussian or Russian men think. There are other links , on that web page , about some other footage , and observing and trailing work , that the tv channel , has conducted , and has also broadcasted.
Where man or wife , are caught , while having sex , with the unloyal spouse. Unfortunately , I could not understand , one word , of the dialogue , because , it is all in Russian.
But , I do get the picture he , you can interpret this , in 2 ways , too ;-. And if it is allowed , for a tv crew , to put a video camera , on a stick , and from the balcony , 1 floor higher , filming , what is going on , in the bedroom , 1 floor below! And then , let the wife or husband , come to the door , and knock , to have the main occupant , to answer the door. And , filming , all the drama , which unfolds , afterwards.
Remember , someone , may watch YOU …………. If the site were legitimate, it would post a video of the woman in America with the client- blocking the face of the client out.
I assure you, given all of the scams out there, people would be happy to do this — and given their high pricing, they could offer some cash back for time and trouble of posing near a landmark identifiable in their area.
Carey, a bit confused about your post. I have a couple of questions about how the site works. Back then , it was not , so openly , mentioned , that after the 3 months , had past , they would charge again. And add another of 50 credits , I believe , it was , to your account.
Well , figure out , how to use about 50 or so credits , in this time. So , lost all the remaining credits , after that , expiring day. But , I can give a like vote , for the ladies picture.
My profile is still on , but I need to upgrade , to get full use , of everything if you know what I mean. Today , I heard some great news. But on the other hand , it may have other impacts. Starting from summer , it is free , for citizens , from Ukraine , Turkey and Georgie , to visit the EU , without the need for a visa.
Of course , some of us , had hoped , that this would happen in the future. And others , would have liked , that it would be very soon!
So , now that it will be a reality , what will be the implications , on the internet dating scene?? How will it affect , relations , which are still developing , at this moment?
Will online dating agencies , have more registered members , or not? Will it be more difficult , to find a Ukrainian lady , or will this make it easier??
What about the competition , now that they have this big pool , of European men , at their disposal?? Or , what will be the effect , on these EE women. For sure , coming over , to visit or even work on a temporary basis , will have an impact , on their way of thinking. Getting to see and know , the life here.
And be a part of it. Even though it is for a limited period. Will feminism , get a stronger grip on them , because of this? Millions of Ukrainians will now try and go to Europe looking for illegal work, criminal deeds while females will join others in European whore houses.
This will inevitably happen. Internet dating scene in Ukraine will have to deal with leftovers of a very low quality. Soon there will be NO decent Ukrainian females left in Ukraine. Just Holland and Germany can accommodate s of females from Ukraine looking for big money fast! Wow , an update , to my previous post. I have just spoken to my girlfriend , about this. And she tells me , that it is not true. Well , at least for now. There was some debate by Ukraine government or political parties , I believe , but from what I understand , ther is no conclusive decision.
Ukrianians were angry , because , prices in Ukraine , and the costs for living , have gone up , significantly , in the past weeks. The people said , that who will go to Europe , on holiday , with these high living costs?
Which they can barely bring up! So , it is in fact , maybe not effective , for Ukrainians. Perhaps , it is for people from Turkey and Georgie. Visa free travel will happen rather sooner than later.
Right now the final report with recommendations is being postponed until the end of December. Majdan was a total failure resulting in a worse dictatorship than Ukraine had with Yanukovich former president I do not think Turkey will get visa free travel now by the way.
Ukraine has a population of about 35 of people at the moment, and Turkey has 75 of people living in it. Georgia might get it, yes, but its population is 3. If you have any questions-feel free to ask. Yes , it is a probability , that People from Ukraine , will come here , to seek for illegal work. At the same time , it is a bit , or very difficult , to get a job , without the right papers or documents.
As to working , in the seks industry. There are plenty of opportunities , in Russia and Turkey , to name a few. And I bet , that there are more countries , where EE women , can travel to , if they want , to be in this type of business.
You are right , that many refugees , from the Middle East , now seek asylum in Europe. And , because of this , I assume , that there will be , more swift measures , when people from EE , come here as a tourist , and then have illegal jobs. And , yes , it will have an impact , on dating agencies. Those women , who can afford , to come here on a holiday , may change their vieuw , on what type of man , and what criteria he has to fit.
Women from Ukraine , who wants to make big money , fast , well , their chances for this has gone up. It will be no secret , that women from Russia and other EE countries , come here , to work in a brothel , for a short period of time.
So , all in all , is this good or bad news , for the men , who plan to go to Ukraine , to find a wife?? It will surely be a good idea , for them , to not postpone their trip. And to start to plan the trip , or seek contact with possible candidates. Paul, Ukrainian folks who go to Europe to work illegally and get paid under the table do not care about papers, permits etc.
The initial goal of many EE women is to come and work in a brothel in Germany or Holland and then to find a local man, marry him and settle down in the West. A year or two from now it may already be too late.
I joined the site, went to Ukraine, stay for 6 weeks, took out a number of the women from the site. Found that, they are just woman wanting a good man to support them. Now this words support is maybe not a good word, but it is what you will be explained by them.
We, as WM see support and the mind goes off into the wild, thinking about money. It has nothing to do with money, but it takes time to get that out of your head. Our western thinking is so screwed up, we miss the point completely. I will admit, it happened to me, but could not see the forest because of the trees.
I now see, oh so clearly. Good for you Bryan. Who knows how that works? Presumably, your letter is assigned to a paid member of the asiandate. Presumably, your response is again assigned to a paid member of the asiandate. This section, an update added on 22 September , provides a couple of corroborations of the systemic scamming on asiandate.
The first is indirect, providing plausibility only: The demonstration is contained within the fascinating article that I came across a few days ago, the title of which speaks for itself: The second is more direct corroboration. A month or so back it has taken me a while to update this page , a reader kindly contacted me to let me know that he had received by email from asiandate.
He shared with me images as proof, and he invited me to add them and his story to this page, and so I'm doing that. Note that the messages begin slightly differently, but that after that they are identical, including the misspelling, "divoiced", the typos in which the fullstops after "today" and "relax" are not followed by a space, and the fact that "relax.
I have bolded these identical parts. Note that the reader did not pay to open these messages, so all we have are these summaries. The only adjustment I have made to the images has been to resize them, and to censor a link which would have allowed access to the reader's asiandate. Once you register as a woman on that site, your login does not work on asiandate. There is, then, no way for women from the general online public to register an account with asiandate.
From where, then, do the female profiles on asiandate. The official answer in one of the shonkiest videos you will ever see - don't be taken in by this dissembling seems to be that they come from thousands of affiliated dating agencies. Nevertheless, their introductory letters are very likely also being sent automatically by script, so even in the case where a woman might well have registered with an agency and be "real", you're very likely not actually being contacted personally by her. More than likely, you will never actually get to talk with her, but rather will speak with a paid agent of asiandate.
There are on the web multiple negative reviews of asiandate. This section was added on 18 December , based on an email that I received not long ago from a reader of this page. This reader is a member of asiandate. His experiences with the site - receiving to letters per day with the vast majority from women outside his preferred age range; having his complaints about this fobbed off; chat sessions with the senders of the letters being ice cold; etc - had led him to suspect that it is a scam site, and he writes that this page confirmed his suspicions.
He also writes though that he has been in contact with genuine women through the site, including via webcam, which turns the "possibility" that I raised in the previous section into a reality. He also adds the following advice which he feels is very important and needs to be added to this page.
It is based on his having done business and lived in China before, speaking some Mandarin, having had a Chinese wife and thus "[knowing] the lay of the land and cultural twists and turns better than most". His advice is to always ask to see an ID card. This is how he came to the conclusion that the women he was talking to via webcam were genuine. He writes that Chinese people never proceed with a contact without first getting a scanned copy of that contact's ID, and that members of asiandate.
This section was added on 5 March A second reader has written in to add that whilst Robert's advice to ask for photo ID recommends good practice, you should be wary of forged ID, and should perform other due diligence such as asking for further identification, chatting on web cam, and checking social media accounts to verify identity. He adds though that some dedicated scammers, by going to extraordinary lengths, can dupe even the most careful member.
These are scammers who are willing to spend months working on their victims in order to get money out of them. Every letter received in one's asiandate. Consider, too, that if you attempt to swap contact details by which to communicate privately and off-site, to avoid asiandate.
This happened to my friend after he accepted my conclusion that the site was a scam, and tested the theory by asking one of his correspondents to respond to him off-site via email or Skype, providing her with his email address and Skype username: So, was his letter being translated or was it being censored? Note that you agree to this although it actually says nothing about Skype or other instant messengers in the terms and conditions , under 5.
You may not include in Your correspondence with other members any URLs, email addresses or telephone and fax numbers ". Getting back to the subject of translators: Also, on the subjects of terms and conditions and lack of privacy, be aware that under 5. There are negative reviews of this site, identifying it as a scam, littered across the web - I've linked to two already, and reference many more at the bottom of this page.
There are also, however, plenty of positive reviews Look closer, though, and it becomes apparent that these are highly likely to be fraudulent reviews. There are many examples of these on the asiandate. How did I infer that they are fraudulent?
By investigating with Google Images the original sources of the profile pictures of the reviewers, both positive and negative - at least where those profile pictures existed; not all reviewers included them - and by comparing the review votes with the review votes of other websites.
The following table lays out my findings, one review per row, starting with negative reviews with profile pictures, in order from earliest review to most recent, then moving on to positive reviews with profile pictures, again from earliest review to most recent. The table below demonstrates that the profile pictures of supposedly genuine positive reviewers were in fact pilfered from random sites on the web, strongly suggesting, along with the other evidence above, that these positive reviews are fraudulent the negative reviews have no such problem.
For proof that I have not manufactured or edited these images, in case the agents of asiandate. I have now frozen these pages so as to be able to offer links to them without improving their search ranking, as well as to prove their existence at time of writing]. Let's say you're operating a scam website, and you know that some of your marks are going to get suspicious and google your site plus the word "scam".
You might want to put in place some measures to limit the damage, mightn't you? It's not surprising, then, that when you google "asiandate. It is implausible that anyone other than an agent of asiandate. Are these the actions of a reputable site?
Today - 20 October , some three and a half months after this review was first published - I discovered that various sites and pages have been set up linking to this page, and to other pages critical of asiandate. I have no hard evidence as to who the culprit is, but it doesn't take much or even any imagination to work out who has most to gain from such a tactic.
As usual, I will not link to these pages, however, I have again taken snapshots of a few of them via FreezePage as proof that they existed around the time of writing, and those snapshots are linked to in the below list. Bear in mind that these are only a few examples - there are many more: Most of those sites link to it only once, and none of them more than six times, except for the datepraguewomen.
Most of these sites are unwilling participants - e. The campaign seems to have begun about a month ago. Thankfully, any effect it might have had has not prevented the average search ranking of this page from improving in that time. The upside of it is the information it provides: Because of this, these articles are the first three entries in the "Other informative references" section below.
If you have been convinced by the preceding that asiandate. As indicated in the introduction, other domain names alias to asiandate.